http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008 ... e=adelaide
South Australia's public hospital emergency doctors have withdrawn their resignations and accepted the Government's latest pay offer.
The decision solves a lengthy dispute in which about 150 doctors gave notice of resignation.
That notice had been delayed until next Friday to allow more time for negotiations.
The doctors had more than a week to consider the latest offer, which includes a $150,000 rise for senior doctors not also in private practice.
Not over
The doctors union says the pay dispute is far from over, as more than 100 new resignations are put on the table.
The physicians, gynaecologists and obstetricians say they have been ignored in negotiations so far because they had not resorted to militant action.
Dr Michael Rice, a paediatrician from the Women's and Children's Hospital, says the offer ignores groups of doctors who have become disenchanted with the negotiation process.
"The physicians in particular feel deeply insulted at the sweetheart deals that have been done by other groups," he said.
"The Government is just attempting to buy them off and totally ignoring a large group of people who pay an absolutely integral role in management of patients."
The doctors union met in the Industrial Relations Commission today and says while a majority of members have accepted the Government's pay offer, there are still several sticking points that need to be worked through.
Spokesman Andrew Murray says the dispute is not over yet.
"Obviously we're trying to find an outcome and we would hope we can negotiate those final points this week, but the negotiations is you keep talking until you reach agreement," he said.
Opposition health spokeswoman Vickie Chapman says the Government has not handled the dispute well.
"Look this situation with the doctors is going to continue to be a problem for the patients and the professionals and the public generally," she said.
"They have sabotaged the process of negotiation, they have failed these doctors and they have failed the people of South Australia."
南澳公立醫院的急診醫師真有種...
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http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor ... 01,00.html
HALF of Adelaide's emergency department doctors have quit in a dramatic move that threatens to throw the state health system into chaos.
At least 44 doctors from metropolitan hospitals, who are seeking a pay rise of up to $111,000 a year and improved conditions, yesterday told the State Government they would walk off the job in two weeks.
The move, following months of bitter pay-and-conditions negotiations, prompted Health Minister John Hill to accuse them of "blackmail".
Should the doctors have resigned? Vote in our poll on the lower right of this page.
Mr Hill said the doctors' union, the SA Salaried Medical Officers Association, had used a similar "tactic" last year when psychiatrists threatened to quit, then withdrew their resignations at the last minute.
"This is, in my opinion, an outrageous piece of blackmail," he said. "It is really effectively the union pointing a gun at the heads of patients in our public hospital system in SA.
"It is a tactic I think is despicable because it threatens the circumstances of many patients in SA.
"It is really effectively trying to blackmail the patients of this state."
It is understood up to 30 anaesthetists from public hospitals also could hand in their resignations today.
The health system is facing a further blow because up to 200 rural doctors are threatening to resign over changes to country health.
If the metropolitan emergency department doctors carry through with their resignations, hospitals would be forced to turn away the least serious cases or rely on more junior staff, threatening patients' safety.
Mr Hill said the Government was considering "contingency plans" such as diverting some patients to general practitioners.
Enterprise-bargaining talks between the Government and doctors began about eight months ago and have stalled several times since.
In April, about 300 doctors said they would consider resigning over the impasse.
The Industrial Relations Commission is dealing with the dispute and a meeting was held with emergency department doctors last week.
The State Government says it is offering to increase the current annual package for emergency department consultants from about $313,000 to about $356,000. However, it says SASMOA wants almost $425,000.
The packages on offer include on-call allowances, leave loading and salary sacrifice benefits.
"We are offering a very fair and competitive wage package to the doctors. We believe it will make them amongst the highest-paid in Australia," Mr Hill said.
But the Australian Medical Association says those figures represent only the very top level of wages.
Join the debate: Who is in the wrong? The doctors or the Government?
"There would be very few doctors who would meet that figure, and it's all very well to claim that the doctors may achieve certain incomes, but the reality is that . . . the few who do would be the most senior," AMA state president Dr Peter Ford said.
Dr Ford said the doctors were not making idle threats and they would easily find other positions.
"I think we have to take their word that they are serious," he said. "It is a sad day for health in SA to see the situation develop as it has. I think it's going to put huge pressure on the front of hospital where emergency physicians do their important work and that will have to be picked up by other people in the hospitals."
SASMOA senior industrial officer Andrew Murray last night said overcrowding and under-staffing in the emergency departments were creating "already life-threatening situations".
"To be blunt, it would be a good time not to be a patient," he said.
The Rural Doctors Association of SA said up to 200 rural doctors could quit if the Government's new Country Health Plan was adopted. Under the plan, released a week ago, about two-thirds of country hospitals will have their services reduced.
RDASA president Dr Steve Holmes said 43 hospitals had been "earmarked to turn into first aid posts" and doctors would move interstate rather than stay in that situation.
Port Broughton GP Dr Alison Edwards said she would resign if the cuts were implemented.
"I will be able to treat my patients but not be able to admit them to hospital locally," she said.
"I have placed my hospital on notice that it's my intention to resign if the Health Care Plan proceeds in its current format because I cannot offer continuity of care."
Mr Hill said rural doctors had "misunderstood" the details of the plan and the vast majority of rural residents would be better off.
Opposition Leader Martin Hamilton-Smith said the Liberals, the RDA and the Rural Division of General Practice had united to condemn the cuts to rural health.
"The Government has alienated city doctors over poor wages and conditions and now has insulted hard-working country doctors by downgrading their hospitals," he said.
"The case for scrapping the $1.9 billion Marj and investing that money in doctors, nurses, regional health and cutting hospital waiting lists is overwhelming."
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor ... 01,00.html
HALF of Adelaide's emergency department doctors have quit in a dramatic move that threatens to throw the state health system into chaos.
At least 44 doctors from metropolitan hospitals, who are seeking a pay rise of up to $111,000 a year and improved conditions, yesterday told the State Government they would walk off the job in two weeks.
The move, following months of bitter pay-and-conditions negotiations, prompted Health Minister John Hill to accuse them of "blackmail".
Should the doctors have resigned? Vote in our poll on the lower right of this page.
Mr Hill said the doctors' union, the SA Salaried Medical Officers Association, had used a similar "tactic" last year when psychiatrists threatened to quit, then withdrew their resignations at the last minute.
"This is, in my opinion, an outrageous piece of blackmail," he said. "It is really effectively the union pointing a gun at the heads of patients in our public hospital system in SA.
"It is a tactic I think is despicable because it threatens the circumstances of many patients in SA.
"It is really effectively trying to blackmail the patients of this state."
It is understood up to 30 anaesthetists from public hospitals also could hand in their resignations today.
The health system is facing a further blow because up to 200 rural doctors are threatening to resign over changes to country health.
If the metropolitan emergency department doctors carry through with their resignations, hospitals would be forced to turn away the least serious cases or rely on more junior staff, threatening patients' safety.
Mr Hill said the Government was considering "contingency plans" such as diverting some patients to general practitioners.
Enterprise-bargaining talks between the Government and doctors began about eight months ago and have stalled several times since.
In April, about 300 doctors said they would consider resigning over the impasse.
The Industrial Relations Commission is dealing with the dispute and a meeting was held with emergency department doctors last week.
The State Government says it is offering to increase the current annual package for emergency department consultants from about $313,000 to about $356,000. However, it says SASMOA wants almost $425,000.
The packages on offer include on-call allowances, leave loading and salary sacrifice benefits.
"We are offering a very fair and competitive wage package to the doctors. We believe it will make them amongst the highest-paid in Australia," Mr Hill said.
But the Australian Medical Association says those figures represent only the very top level of wages.
Join the debate: Who is in the wrong? The doctors or the Government?
"There would be very few doctors who would meet that figure, and it's all very well to claim that the doctors may achieve certain incomes, but the reality is that . . . the few who do would be the most senior," AMA state president Dr Peter Ford said.
Dr Ford said the doctors were not making idle threats and they would easily find other positions.
"I think we have to take their word that they are serious," he said. "It is a sad day for health in SA to see the situation develop as it has. I think it's going to put huge pressure on the front of hospital where emergency physicians do their important work and that will have to be picked up by other people in the hospitals."
SASMOA senior industrial officer Andrew Murray last night said overcrowding and under-staffing in the emergency departments were creating "already life-threatening situations".
"To be blunt, it would be a good time not to be a patient," he said.
The Rural Doctors Association of SA said up to 200 rural doctors could quit if the Government's new Country Health Plan was adopted. Under the plan, released a week ago, about two-thirds of country hospitals will have their services reduced.
RDASA president Dr Steve Holmes said 43 hospitals had been "earmarked to turn into first aid posts" and doctors would move interstate rather than stay in that situation.
Port Broughton GP Dr Alison Edwards said she would resign if the cuts were implemented.
"I will be able to treat my patients but not be able to admit them to hospital locally," she said.
"I have placed my hospital on notice that it's my intention to resign if the Health Care Plan proceeds in its current format because I cannot offer continuity of care."
Mr Hill said rural doctors had "misunderstood" the details of the plan and the vast majority of rural residents would be better off.
Opposition Leader Martin Hamilton-Smith said the Liberals, the RDA and the Rural Division of General Practice had united to condemn the cuts to rural health.
"The Government has alienated city doctors over poor wages and conditions and now has insulted hard-working country doctors by downgrading their hospitals," he said.
"The case for scrapping the $1.9 billion Marj and investing that money in doctors, nurses, regional health and cutting hospital waiting lists is overwhelming."
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Da-Lau:This is against medical ethics and worst demonstration for medical students. If you can't tolerate the environment you should not study in medicines. I think they should introspect themselves. When I was in that age#@$%#&^%
法官子肇逃關說案 北檢：自由心證無違法
士大夫之無恥
士大夫之無恥
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The same scenario also occurred in both France and USA years ago.
It was not unique for Aus anyway.
It was not unique for Aus anyway.
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美國急診醫師打死都沒有40萬NZDoc 寫:澳洲也應該要多點大老
這樣就不會有人要以辭職威脅加薪了
不過澳洲的醫生所得是最高嗎??
怎麼覺得是美國比較高啊 (想入非非)
神外 CV可能有
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素台灣狗尾啦....smallant 寫:你嚨是派囊
嚨ㄟ臘英文
好....
偶來臘台灣國語
.... (淚奔)
Om Mani Padme Hum
宇宙似幻 浮生若夢
宇宙似幻 浮生若夢
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Re: 南澳公立醫院的急診醫師真有種...
聯招英文考４分，能上醫學系，佩服佩服smallant 寫:偶的英文超爛
有中文翻譯的嗎
(大學聯招考.........4分)
人生三樂事：美酒，老友，好音樂
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偶也是4開頭的分數~kh0708 寫:聯招英文考４分，能上醫學系，佩服佩服smallant 寫:偶的英文超爛
有中文翻譯的嗎
(大學聯招考.........4分)
國文也差不多~
若是有考火星文該有多好!
輕鬆生活最重要,人活著快樂就好!
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這種事在台灣很難，原因:
1.媒體不中立，一旦發生大概醫生會被罵死。
2.老一輩的醫生雖然收錢右派，但是思想左派，
面對媒體、批評後輩的時候一律思想左派。
整個台灣醫界繼承傳統、常常也有這種不自知的思想錯亂。
1.媒體不中立，一旦發生大概醫生會被罵死。
2.老一輩的醫生雖然收錢右派，但是思想左派，
面對媒體、批評後輩的時候一律思想左派。
整個台灣醫界繼承傳統、常常也有這種不自知的思想錯亂。
並非人民守法就是法治
政府遵守法律原則 不輕易侵害人民權益 才是法治國
政府遵守法律原則 不輕易侵害人民權益 才是法治國
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Re: 南澳公立醫院的急診醫師真有種...
kh0708 寫:聯招英文考４分，能上醫學系，佩服佩服smallant 寫:偶的英文超爛
有中文翻譯的嗎
(大學聯招考.........4分)
昂首千丘遠，嘯傲風間；
堪尋敵手共論劍，高處不勝寒 !!!
堪尋敵手共論劍，高處不勝寒 !!!
Re: 南澳公立醫院的急診醫師真有種...
真奇怪，三民主義能拿97＋分的輪，英文卻拿4分？ (咦)smallant 寫:簡單啦kh0708 寫:聯招英文考４分，能上醫學系，佩服佩服smallant 寫:偶的英文超爛
有中文翻譯的嗎
(大學聯招考.........4分)
三民主義只扣申論題的分數....實得97+分
生物....92+
隨便加一加就上了
(反正不是 T 大)
偶英文和三民主義分數差不多耶～～ (不要啊)
Re: 南澳公立醫院的急診醫師真有種...
shura 寫:真奇怪，三民主義能拿97＋分的輪，英文卻拿4分？ (咦)smallant 寫:簡單啦kh0708 寫:聯招英文考４分，能上醫學系，佩服佩服smallant 寫:偶的英文超爛
有中文翻譯的嗎
(大學聯招考.........4分)
三民主義只扣申論題的分數....實得97+分
生物....92+
隨便加一加就上了
(反正不是 T 大)
偶英文和三民主義分數差不多耶～～ (不要啊)
我從小就討厭念英文
IN .OF. ON .TO. ING.
看到就頭痛
當年高中聯考
英文沒滿分上第一志願的人應不會很多
但蟻佬可是有超水準的表現.....
86分
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可是醫學系不是有很多厚到可以當枕頭的原文書嗎?smallant 寫:shura 寫:真奇怪，三民主義能拿97＋分的輪，英文卻拿4分？ (咦)smallant 寫:簡單啦kh0708 寫:聯招英文考４分，能上醫學系，佩服佩服smallant 寫:偶的英文超爛
有中文翻譯的嗎
(大學聯招考.........4分)
三民主義只扣申論題的分數....實得97+分
生物....92+
隨便加一加就上了
(反正不是 T 大)
偶英文和三民主義分數差不多耶～～ (不要啊)
我從小就討厭念英文
IN .OF. ON .TO. ING.
看到就頭痛
當年高中聯考
英文沒滿分上第一志願的人應不會很多
但蟻佬可是有超水準的表現.....
86分
還有許多journal要讀,
敢問蟻大,
您當時是如何處理的? (壓力)
Re: 南澳公立醫院的急診醫師真有種...
高中聯考只少偶十幾分，大學聯考卻少偶八十幾分～～ (壓力)smallant 寫:shura 寫:真奇怪，三民主義能拿97＋分的輪，英文卻拿4分？ (咦)smallant 寫:簡單啦kh0708 寫:聯招英文考４分，能上醫學系，佩服佩服smallant 寫:偶的英文超爛
有中文翻譯的嗎
(大學聯招考.........4分)
三民主義只扣申論題的分數....實得97+分
生物....92+
隨便加一加就上了
(反正不是 T 大)
偶英文和三民主義分數差不多耶～～ (不要啊)
我從小就討厭念英文
IN .OF. ON .TO. ING.
看到就頭痛
當年高中聯考
英文沒滿分上第一志願的人應不會很多
但蟻佬可是有超水準的表現.....
86分
不過，沒關係，現在賺的錢比偶多比較重要～～～ (眼汪汪)
Re: 南澳公立醫院的急診醫師真有種...
聽說有一種叫做共同X記的東東～～ (樂奔)RD 寫:可是醫學系不是有很多厚到可以當枕頭的原文書嗎?smallant 寫:shura 寫:真奇怪，三民主義能拿97＋分的輪，英文卻拿4分？ (咦)smallant 寫:簡單啦kh0708 寫: 聯招英文考４分，能上醫學系，佩服佩服
三民主義只扣申論題的分數....實得97+分
生物....92+
隨便加一加就上了
(反正不是 T 大)
偶英文和三民主義分數差不多耶～～ (不要啊)
我從小就討厭念英文
IN .OF. ON .TO. ING.
看到就頭痛
當年高中聯考
英文沒滿分上第一志願的人應不會很多
但蟻佬可是有超水準的表現.....
86分
還有許多journal要讀,
敢問蟻大,
您當時是如何處理的? (壓力)
Re: 南澳公立醫院的急診醫師真有種...
1.讀文章.沒問題.看不懂的查字典shura 寫:聽說有一種叫做共同X記的東東～～ (樂奔)RD 寫: 可是醫學系不是有很多厚到可以當枕頭的原文書嗎?
還有許多journal要讀,
敢問蟻大,
您當時是如何處理的? (壓力)
但是考試都是挖一個空格讓你選
另一方面
醫學英文和一般文章英文不太一樣啦
醫學英文較少修辭.平述句為主
2.我的壞習慣是不會寫也要把它寫完
不留空格.....
倒扣很多啦
3.共同講義.....我愛它
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wei 寫:這種事在台灣很難，原因:
1.媒體不中立，一旦發生大概醫生會被罵死。
2.老一輩的醫生雖然收錢右派，但是思想左派，
面對媒體、批評後輩的時候一律思想左派。
整個台灣醫界繼承傳統、常常也有這種不自知的思想錯亂。
說得好 說得好呀
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偶買了不少，沒一本唸完，真浪費～～ (不要啊)Nicholas 寫:所以妞照泡 舞照跳shura 寫:
聽說有一種叫做共同X記的東東～～ (樂奔)
textbook 沒買過 (壓力)
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Re: 南澳公立醫院的急診醫師真有種...
有能力者............有勞了growthcamp 寫:倒底上面那些豆芽菜在說些什麼,好多天都沒看到人翻譯出來!
(不要啊)
昂首千丘遠，嘯傲風間；
堪尋敵手共論劍，高處不勝寒 !!!
堪尋敵手共論劍，高處不勝寒 !!!